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How NOT to Defeat Humanism and Atheism

November 26, 2010

There are so many things that can be said about this video… where to start?

First, I guess, are the ritual magic elements. If we yell, we can make magic things happen. If we sing the same song over and over, we can make magic things happen. And quite disturbingly, if we thrust our hips back and forth like we are making sweet, sweet love to the air, then, of course, we can make magic things happen (seriously, that dude needs to watch this video and stop doing that–it really is horrifying).

Second, and perhaps more relevant, is the fundamental misunderstanding of the humanist or atheist positions. Consider the lady’s shrieking ‘sermon’, “We are dethroning powers of darkness, and we are enthroning the king of kings. There are angelic visitations going forth. I just had a vision there are angels that have been stationed all around this glory church and at university campuses, and they have just been waiting for this commissioning call… and what’s happening is the darkness is being pierced… there is an anointing that goes out from our mouths and it goes out like a two-edged sword and it pierces the darkness of humanism, it pierces the darkness of atheism.”

And then Thrusty McAwkward adds, “I don’t know how to do it but just begin to say, ‘God we speak before you, a one percent, two percent change from this prayer meeting”

Well, at least he sets his sights pretty high!

Humpty Hips then says, “Coat ta la ma ta cack.” Um… not really sure what that means… does anyone speak Klingon around here? Perhaps McGrath can get us a translation.

ElvisIsAliveInMyPants continues, “See the shift in heaven, see the principalities in heaven being pushed back. Hands are being pried off of the hearts of young mean and women. The devil’s talons are being ripped off minds right now.”

Like I said, there’s a lot that can be said, but for the sake of brevity, and to avoid arguments that have been rehearsed a thousand times over the internet and in books, can I point out that the humanist and atheist “darkness” is a little more complicated than being merely an evil faith position influenced by the devil as an opposition to heaven.

Of course, there are some atheists that can be just as annoying as hyper-fundamental Christians, but for the majority of humanists and atheists, the vast majority, their truth positions are not built on a deductive shield of  ‘faith’ positions, but rather, are mostly built on something radically different. ‘Pulling down strongholds’ or ‘piercing the darkness” or babbling inanities to rip the devil’s talons from minds is not going to work. You will not replace one scientific based worldview for a faith based one with… um, how do I describe it? Oh yeah: the power of magical yelling.

For a better way to engage atheists try reading: How To Take Down an Atheist in a Debate.

As an aside, and I have mentioned this briefly before, I can never get over the self-aggrandizement in these sorts of prayers and rants, “I’m pulling down strongholds. We’re dethroning. We’re enthroning. A double-edged sword is going forth from our mouths and piercing the darkness,” etc., ad nauseum. Think much or yourself and your place in the meta-narrative you’ve constructed?

(video VIA)

13 Comments leave one →
  1. mike swalm permalink
    November 26, 2010 2:26 pm

    sweet robot move at 2:05 though

  2. Pete permalink
    November 26, 2010 2:41 pm

    She may have been piercing the darkness, but he was penetrating the darkness…

  3. November 26, 2010 3:45 pm

    Ha. Yea, some major subconscious penetrating going on there.

    I loved your narrative. Thanks for that.

    Sometimes when I am witness to these types of environments (directly or indirectly), it makes me think that maybe all this swords/darkness and light/spiritual armies/ spiritual warfare/ angelic visitations / enthroning/dethroning business… is an indication that we want to be part of a dramatic fantasy story or medieval tale… with a few adaptations and minus the thrusting… you could make the dialogue sound like it belonged in the Lord of the Rings or something.

    • Headless Unicorn Guy permalink
      November 28, 2010 10:23 am

      …an indication that we want to be part of a dramatic fantasy story or medieval tale… with a few adaptations and minus the thrusting… you could make the dialogue sound like it belonged in the Lord of the Rings or something.

      If true, somebody should have turned these guys onto Dungeons & Dragons instead. That’s how I got my fix of being “part of a dramatic fantasy story or medieval tale.”

      As for the Thrusting, humans have always had a real poor track record of mixing the Sacred and the Erotic.

  4. A Reader permalink
    November 26, 2010 6:45 pm

    It was a meeting several years ago featuring Cindy Jacobs that was one of the factors that pushed (drove?) me out of the current Charismania movement. It doesn’t look like anything has changed.

    • Paul D. permalink
      November 30, 2010 9:39 pm

      Me too. Nutjobs like Cindy Jacobs have made never want to step foot in the charismatic churches I was raised in again. I have nothing against playing fantasy games, but people who don’t know the difference between fantasy and reality scare me.

  5. November 27, 2010 7:05 am

    That’s Lou “Rock You Like A Hurricane” Engle. I recently left the movement that he’s involved with (International House of Prayer/the prayer movement/Bound4LIFE).

    When I was still a believer, I couldn’t figure out how if jebus is supposed to be king of kings already, the why do we need to say the right magical proclamations? I thought it was silly to fight an enemy that was supposedly defeated already. This is just a special brand of crazy. The sad part is Lou is a really nice guy. Most prayer movement people are.

    • November 27, 2010 3:46 pm

      I have to agree that outside of the crazy moments, most of the IHOP and IHOPish folks are really great people. But their theology – not so much. I’m even ok with the emotive corporate praying – but for the love of God someone needs to think about what they are praying.

      For instance – who the &*%$ are we that we can enthrone God??? Seriously someone can think that is kosher. And when did we suddenly become the commanders of angels? Angels are waiting for us to commission them??? WTF! Me thinks that who is God and who is not got a lot confused on the way to that prayer meeting.

      The thing is there is an element of proclamation in prayer is probably good – but examples like this do not help the cause of figuring that out. I have to agree that what is presented here is really witchcraft (spiritual manipulation).

  6. November 29, 2010 1:20 pm

    Why is it that these kinds of posts always remind me of Jeff Goldblum’s line in Jurassic Park: “God creates dinosaurs, God kills dinosaurs. God creates man, man kills God. Man creates dinosaurs, dinosaurs… eat… man?”

    Which always leads to the other line about how he’s always on the lookout for the next future ex-Mrs. Dr. Malcolm….

    But seriously, Paul wrote a few verses about spiritual warfare, and virtually everything else he wrote was along the lines of, “For the last time, people, y’all need to wake up and realize how really, truly f**ked up you are!” But it’s the “the devil made me do it” meme that’s the important one? What drek. If I have one major problem with modern Christianity, it’s the same as my main criticism of Western civilization in general: most–by far–people not only don’t accept responsibility for their own actions, they don’t really want anyone else to, either.

    If it’s not McDonald’s telling me I “deserve a break today” (Really?! What have I done to “deserve” this break, which, by happy coincidence, pads McD’s bottom line?), it’s some semi-literate evangelical or charismatic drone telling me that if I simply recite the proper incantation I can banish The Enemy And his Henchmen for 2d12+4 rounds, or a talking head from the Fungible Party telling me to lay back and enjoy the latest government-hatched scheme to surrender my dignity (all in the name of “freedom” and “security”) that always seems to leave me walking a little bow-legged.

    Enough, already.

    • November 29, 2010 3:48 pm

      If you keep playing the game their way you might just crit the devil! 🙂

  7. November 29, 2010 2:05 pm

    Thrusty McAwkward…gem!

  8. A Reader permalink
    November 29, 2010 6:42 pm

    When do these people ever get to 1 Corinthians 13:11b?


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